In this chapter's "bonus" episode, both Debi and Producer Dan talk with a guest from Chapter One of this Season, R. J. Grunewald. R.J. is writing a book about those who have left the church for one reason or another, and are, as he puts it, "left for dead." We discuss R.J.'s research and how we might talk about the faith and the church for those who think they've had enough.

In this episode, Debi talks with our new friend Matt about his troubled relationship with the church. She then talks with RJ Grunewald.